attack, the president called it an act of terror. do not confuse your world net daily caliber fantasy babble for what actually happened. because stuff really does actually happen. and eventually you really do have to deal with it. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. have a great night. and now it's team obama's term to be happy about a debate, and it's team romney's tern to complain about the moderator. >> president obama came out last night like a heavy weight fighter. >> fired up. >> more like a heavy weight fight. >> >> the president brings his "a" game to the second debate showdown. >> the two men literally circled each other. >> circled the ring for an hour and a half. >> president obama was seething. >> both candidates accusing the

other of not being truthful. >> just isn't true. >> way off the mark. >> it's just not true. >> it's absolutely true. >> if the moderator felt the pressure. >> candy. >> candy. >> are you just going to keep talking? >> that is the real mitt romney. there he is. >> the viral phrase from last night came from mitt romney. >> the folder or whatever, binder of woman. >> they brought us binders. >> binders. >> binders. >> binders full of women. >> the president talked about women as bread winners. >> we don't have to collect a bin much of binders to find qualified, talented young women. >> and governor romney talked about them as resumes in binders. >> both candidates and their wing men. >> in three of the most politically value battle ground states. >> we've got 20 days go to. >> i think it hangs in the balance. >> mr. romney shooting himself in the foot that was frequently in his mouth\. >> he can't help it, he was born

with a silver foot in his mouth. with just 20 days until election, president obama is now feeling better about the debates. >> we had our second presidential debate last night, and you know, i'm still trying to get the hang of this thing. but as bee saw last night, the five-point plan really boils down to one point. folks at the very top get to play by a different set of rules than you do. the we cannot grow this economy from the top down. we grow it from the middle out. we're not going backwards, we're going forward. that's why i'm running for a second term for president and that's why i want your vote. >> the second debate was watched by over 65 million television viewers, just about the same number that watched the first

debate. according to a reuters poll, 48% of registered voters believe that president obama won the debate. 33% showed that mitt romney won. and a cbs poll shows 37% of uncommitted voters believe president obama won and 30% believe mitt romney won. the president won this praise from leading conservative thinker george will. >> i think the president's tactical victory was on trying to get mitt romney to unring a bell which is very hard to do. the president held his fire on the 47% until he had the last worth in the debate. that is, he used it in his summation in a way that mitt romney could not explain or respond to. so i think as a tactical measure tonight, the president did very well indeed. >> today, vice president biden

campaigned in nevada and colorado where he said this. >> how about barack obama last night? you all saw the man that i have sat with every day on average four to six hours a day. a man of principle, a man of gumption, a steady hand and clear vision. i'm proud of him. i'm proud to serve him. >> msnbc's joe scarborough had this to say about mitt romney's performance. >> he came on way too strong. you don't run over a female moderator. it's very dangerous. secondly you don't run over the president of the united states. whether that president is a republican or whether that president is a democrat.

there are independent voters who believe that a president should be treated with deference because he is the commander in chief. >> joining me now, msnbc alex wagner and chris hayes. there you are in los angeles, joe scarborough thinking you don't run over a female moderator. i think you're probably about four years away from being a female moderator at a presidential debate. >> that is a laughable prospect, lawrence. >> so what is your feeling about that, about this notion that some guys certainly are having that hey, you know, you don't treat candy that way? >> well, i think there's some gender politics that make me a little queasy in that statement, which is to say, female moderators should be treated the same as male moderators at the end of the day. this is not about chivalry, this is about facts. and i think candy crowley did a

great job last night, correcting mitt romney when he was way, way off base. but to joe's second point in terms of how mitt romney treated the president and jeblly his attitude didn't play well. you had the polls at the beginning of the block. you don't put the president of the united states in his place. i think again, this whole thing, this whole stage is set to appeal to five or six independent voters in this country, and they still understand the office of president. i mean, i think for the most part, americans can agree that it's sort of an up lifted position in american society. and to take that attitude towards the president was not something people were comfortable seeing. >> it was odd for me seeing that happen with the president. but you know, the president today is being very modest saying there, i'm starting to get the hang of this debate thing. i think he got the hang of it last night. >> oh, yeah. he had an excellent performance last night. i think it's very hard for team obama to think they did anything

but exactly what they wanted him to do. and i think, the interesting thing here is that the -- mitt romney's weakness as a debater has been, he just doesn't like people challenging him. he gets bullying and kind of rude and petty when people challenge him. and barack obama didn't challenge him much in the first debate. so he came across fairly likable because he didn't get that part of his personality going. in this debate barack obama did the same thing that rick perry did in previous debates saying you're wrong about that and that's not what's in your record and he does not like that. there's a ceo quality to him. where he tells the president you'll get a chance to finish. i'm the ceo and you shut uch because life spent my life giving orders not having dialogues face to face. >> alex you will not be surprised to learn that rush

limbaugh has an explanation for all of this, that george will's perception that president obama did very well in that debate last night. >> gave it all for the good guys. but she committed an act of journalistic terror or malpractice. what she did last night would have been the equivalent of blowing up her career like a suicide bomber. but there aren't any journalistic standards anymore. and is she going to be praised and celebrated? >> according to rush, candy crowley committed an act of journalistic terror and is a suicide bomber. >> he's so measured in his praise, isn't he? comparing candy crowley to a jihadist might be taking the subway one stop past sanity, as bill maher said. that's a paraphrase. i think candy crowley did a laudable job. that libya moment was a terrible

moment for romney. and one that could have easily been prevented if he had paid attention to what he was saying, instead of inserting himself into the national dialogue. remember the person that played their cards wrong on that very, very bad day for the united states, and it was mitt romney. what's amazing to me is that the romney team did no fact checking. they have a certain plank of their campaign built on this foreign policy question and they don't have the basic facts right. >> the question that, the item that george will was praising in particular was holding the 47% comment until the very end, until the last word. let's show how the president did that. >> when he said, behind closed doors, that 47% of the country considered themselves victims who refuse personal responsibility, think about who he was talking about. folks on social security who

have worked all their lives. veterans who sacrifice for this country. people who are working hard every day, paying payroll tax, gas taxes but don't make enough income. and i want to fight for them. >> now, chris george will clearly believes that the president specifically saved it for that. there's some speculation that no, no shall, he was reacting off of mitt romney saying i'm for the 100%. but given that the president hadn't said anytime the whole debate, it seems impossible that he was going to let the debate go by without using the 47%. and you heard me ask last night was that the strategy. of course he has to deny there was any strategy at all. >> well, it was incredibly effective. it was bizarre to me. it was a huge error on the part of mitt romney, to essentially raise the issue of the 47% without directly addressing it. in case anyone's for gotten it,

let me mention it. >> are there things that people that you would like to clarify and correct. and clearly he thought yes, that i'm some removed, distant plutocrat who hates the masses. instead of rebut thing that, he left it to his opponent to drive it home. there's a few moments in the debate, barack obama just doesn't like throwing that punch. more often than not you can see in that tape he pauses for a second and he has to kind of steel himself. you saw it when he after mitt for bain, there's this kind of pause. this was the same barack obama time after time in the primaries in 2008 where people said you have to throw a punch. it isn't natural to him and i thought he did a good job last night in delivering those attacks in a way that didn't

feel artificial to who he was. there's this kind of coming under the attack subject limbated and this quiet and poised way that i thought was effective. >> and he did something like that with mitt romney's tax returns. he wouldn't use the phrase tax returns, but he did say he pays only 14%. there's just one sentence away from getting into this mass of secret tax returns. the way chris sees it, and i think i do too is, he just couldn't go that extra step. >> yeah, i agree with what you guys are saying. but i think we cannot under estimate how incredibly competitive the president is. and when he was talking about the inignition he felt about the way the romney campaign has colored the white house response to the death of chris stevens. that was legitimate anger an emotion. that wasn't because he had been in debate prep. >> i totally agree.

>> i think he has been frustrated by the narrative that the gop has been trying to establish and it was a kind of a blood letting and he finally got to make his case to defend himself. >> thank you for joining me tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up, we have the numbers. this is actual real news coming up. this is something president obama wishes that he had last night. mitt romney tried a new idea last night about how to pay for his tax cut and we can now tell you, by the numbers, exactly how ridiculous that idea is. steve kornacki and krystal ball. and lily ledbetter's reaction with joy reid. and d.h.hughley is here

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>> i pick a number, $25,000 in reductions in credits and you can decide which ones to use. your home mortgage interest deduction, charity, child tax credit and so forth, you can use part of those as filling that bucket of deductions. >> if it shouldn't add up, if somehow when you get in there there isn't enough tax revenue coming in, if somehow the numbers don't add up, would you be willing to look again at a 20% -- >> of course they add up. >> and of course they don't add up. too bad candy crowley wasn't ready with a fact check there. today, the third way ran the numbers on the proposal capping deductions at $25,000 and big surprise, that would cover a tiny fraction of mitt romney's $4.8 trillion tax cut. krystal ball and steve kornacki, are you ready for the big news? >> let's hear it.

>> we're going to put it on the big board right behind you. you can turn around. you can now turn around and see how much revenue that new deduction bucket of 25 grand will raise you for your $4.8 trillion. it's only 4 trillion short. krystal. >> he's almost there. >> he's going to have to maybe do a little something else. >> and what i really love about this is he says you know, pick a number. he's just spit bawling. if you like that, i'm for it. if not, we'll do something else. and you know, earlier he throughout $17,000. >> yes, he did. >> as the cap for the deductions. and i think i was looking, the average home interest mortgage deduction is 12 troud. i think there was too close, there would be too many people who couldn't take the full amount of that. so he bumped it up so it would be more politically palatable.

as you're pointing out though, there is no way for his plan to lower rates by 25% and not raise taxes on the middle class. there is no way to do it. >> every since he first mentioned the bucket of deductions at 17 grand i've just been sitting there thinking giving me a cost estimate on this and i can't quite do it on my calculator. so third way came out today and i got it this morning. this is fantastic. my guess would have been maybe a little bit more than that. but i knew it was not going to be a lot and it was be the going to do the job. and so that's it. that's the entire romney proposal on tax deductions. that's it right there. >> i think tax policy center came out with a different one tonight that said 32%. and as krystal said, i love the insistence of course the math adds up. i've already done the calculations in my head. but this is, you know, he is simply trying to put forward a

proposal that meets every voters' criteria of hey, if we're going to have a tax cut, it's going to positively affect me and i'm not going to have to give up anything to help pay for it. the numbers just clearly -- >> trying to get specific on duc deductions, i've raised this question with a couple of republicans, yesterday morning there was a breakfast with mark row rubio and i had just one question. i asked him can you name me one tax deduction that you would eliminate in order to pay for the tax cut proposal you're proposing. he could not name one. what he did do was rattle off a bunch that we shouldn't touch, which was every one you've ever heard of. >> right, of course. >> the charitable, mortgage. >> then there's this claim this is how it's been done before. this is how it was done when john f. kennedy, when ronald rag on. >> the difference with the '86

tax reform is they did not pick a number ahead of time that they were bound by. they didn't say we're going to cut every rate by 20. >> and then figure it out. >> they said what can the rate go down to as we start to eliminate and shave off these deducti deductions. and they made the math decide what the rates were going to be. which is the only reasonable way to do something like that. >> here's the other thing. romney picked this 20% tax cut numbers during the primaries to appeal to the republican base to show he was sufficiently supply sighter enough. now has he not only changed his plan, but he's changed what his philosophy was. his entire floos if i of how to grow the economy was to allow the job creators like him to keep more of their money and that's somehow imaginically going to make them work harder and create more jobs. now we can see even that thing which maybe he did believe, even that thing he doesn't really believe and is willing to

discard. >> if you gave him all the deductions that there are, and you know this, joe. all the deductions that there are. you've got $2.5 trillion. he doesn't want all the deductions and he's trying to fake it to the american people because he does want to tell you about the home mortgage or college credit or state and local taxes so he fakes it. i find it stunning. it's to me disqualifying. >> spoken like a true member of the senate finance committee. i want to go to some information we got from a company that reviews online sentiment during the debate. this is from twitter and facebook and it shows how the reactions are going online. there are these graphs again behind you on the big board. romney is the red number. and if you look at the lowest line there, that's negative reaction. and negative reaction for romney is worst at two moments in the debate.

the first one corresponded with his very first argument with candy crowley and the second one when candy crowley fact checked him on libya. >> there's a fine line to walk there between being aggressive and assertive and taking control of the room and just seeming nasty. and the interesting thing was the president really controlled the pace of the debate. he ended up getting more time and being able to talk more. but he didn't come off nasty, pushy, aggressive. nasty towards the moderator. and i think especially when you're concerned about a gender gap and you're trying to steamroll a female moderator, it's a particular problematic thing for mitt romney. >> and the positive comment for barack obama went straight up at the end. especially as he was doing that closing. >> yeah. and i was wondering all night. i felt the night had gone well oo enough for for obama before

that. that that was not going to be a major blunder for him this time. but then it almost felt like romney partly walked into it by bringing up the 100% comment in his closing. but it also felt like it's a pretty smart strategic way to do it. you can get the final say on this and you know the romney people had cooked up a rebuttal of some sort for obama to bring up the 47%, they had a retort, but he doesn't get to use it. >> they made a mistake. mitt romney won the coin toss as we were told at the beginning and what he chose to do was go first, make the first comment in the debate instead of what he could have chosen was the last comment. he absolutely should have chosen going last. >> and he made several strategic blunders, not only that one, but he brought up let detroit go bankrupt first. he brought up the president's pension plan during a discussion of immigration. of course in the libya moment. he didn't have to say you said

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i don't know if you were listening last night, but, see, we don't have to order up some binders to find qualified, talented, driven young women to learn and teach and thrive and start businesses. >> in the spotlight tonight, words that bind according to tivo. the segment of the debate that was rewound and watched more than once more than any other segment of the debate was this. >> we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet. i went to a number of women's groups and said could you help us find folks and they brought us whole binders full of women. >> earlier today paul ryan tried to explain what his running meant by binders full of women. >> all he simply meant was he went out of his way to try and

recruit qualified women to serve in his administration when he was governor. that's really what he was saying. >> the binders full of women came up in an answer to a question about equal pay for women. here's how president obama answered it. >> the first bill i signed was something called the lilly ledbetter bill. and it's named after this amazing woman who had been doing the same job as a man for years, found out that she was getting paid less and the supreme court said that she couldn't bring suit because she should have found out about it earlier. that's an example of the kind of advocacy that we need because women are increasing the bread winners in the family. >> joining me now the amazing woman president obama was just talking about, lilly ledbetter is here, joy reid. lilly, welcome back to the show. you played a starring role in

the debate last night, but mitt romney, apashtly, still hasn't decided whether he would support the lilly ledbetter bill. >> no, sir, he has not. he's having a hard time with that decision. and it seems like a no-brainer. absolutely. >> and what was your reaction overall to what you heard mitt romney talk about when he was asked about equal pay for women, he never discussed equal pay for women, but he did go on and on about these binders full of women. what were you thinking when you were listening to that? >> the binders disturbed me. that was unnerving to be talking about binders. i don't think i know anything about binders, not in that regard. but you know, equal pay for equal work is such a simple solution to the united states equal employment problem. and that's what we need. because when you're talking

about equal pay for equal work, you're talking about the american family. it's a fundamental american right to be paid and compensated and we have the law. it's been on the books for 49 years. and i don't understand why mitt romney and paul ryan have such a hard time understanding that. because paul ryan voted against the ledbetter bill and it's necessary. he said that it's not necessary. but it is. and i talked to women all over this country, from coast to coast, and they're struggling. they're working two jobs through the week and another one on the weekend, still cannot make all their bills. they have to have family help to support their families. this is not right in this country and we have got to turn this around. and i don't think mitt romney and paul ryan are the answer. i was very disturbed listening to them last night talking about women, their rights and their

families and who will make the decision for them. this is not right in this country. we're well educated and we have the resources and we should be better than this. >> joy reid, i was struck by mitt romney's response. here's the republican party and mitt romney in particular. they're all very anti-affirmative action, cheering for the supreme court to overturn it. and mitt romney gives an affirmative action answer to a question that was not about affirmative action. it was about equal pay. he says, doesn't use the phrase affirmative action, but i took affirmative action to try to go find some women to try to populate my administration with women, because if i didn't. it was just going to be all guys. >> right. because there weren't the obvious women who presented themselves to him. not only was it a nonsecond witor, because he was asked about equal pay and he went right to this thing, by the way, this collection of women's organizations had prepared a list of qualified women who

could potentially be in state government. he didn't go looking for these women, that list was on his desk when he became governor because they were looking for him. they were saying whoever becomes the next governor, at least consider these women for your cabinet. i think the point that misledbetter made is this. it's not about whether mitt romney governor of massachusetts can give a few women government jobs in that state, it's about whether corporations will be allowed to get the work of all of the rest of us women at a discount. and they want lab offer as a discount whether it's nonunion labor or cheaper labor out of women because it's all about profit and that's what this is about at the end of the day. >> lilly ledbetter, he basically was saying by the time he became governor, he didn't really know any women that he would turn to. he's going to have to find some resumes. but when he graduated from the

harvard business school in 1975, 11% of his graduating class were women. apparently he didn't speak to any of them or didn't know where they had gone off to in the work world. keep track of them in any way. they certainly could have been many qualified women among that group that could have gone to work for him. but suddenly he's sitting there as governor and he can't name a single woman that he would want to hire. it's just astonishing that that could happen for someone who becomes a governor in the 21st century. >> it should not happen, lawrence. because there are so many qualified highly educated out is there looking for work and they want good jobs and most of them are hoefr qualified, to tell you the truth. but when he stated that the woman he did have working, she had to go home at 5:00 because she had to cook dinner. that just echoed in my den where

i was watching the television. i couldn't believe he would make a statement like that. because maybe she did have to cook dinner, but that's not the big problem. that's not the issue. they were talking about equal pay for equal work. and there are many women out there who need to work and they need a full-time job and that's working all shifts or hours or whatever is necessary to feed their family and to pay the mortgage or the rent and to keep their family alive and afloat in the world today. and this country is dropping drastically simply because we don't have equal pay for equal work. >> lilly ledbetter and joy reid. thank you both very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up, mitt romney and president obama took questions from the tiny group of american voters who even after months and months more than a year of

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let's solve this. and so in the infinite wisdom of the presidential debate commission, they chose to surround the presidential candidates last night with undecided voters and empower them to ask questions of the president of the united states and his republican challenger. the questions were not very good. but they could have been much, much worse. the dean of "saturday night live" writers set expectations for undecided voters questions very very low. >> when is the election? how soon do we have to decide? >> what are the names of the two people running? and be specific.

>> who is the president right now? is he or she running? because if so, experience is maybe something we should consider. >> how long is a president's term of office? one year? two years? three years? or life? >> if it's for life, frankly, we're not comfortable with that. we don't need to be electing a dictator. >> what happens if the president dies? has anyone thought about who would replace him? what's your plan, gentlemen? >> can women vote? because if not, as a woman, i've got a big problem with that. and by the way, if men can't vote, in my opinion, that's just as wrong. >> you hear a lot about our dependence on foreign oil, but just what is oil? what is it used for? >> can a woman have a baby just from french kissing? >> we are america's undecided voters, there's still a lot we don't know. >> and we want answers.

>> of course, only allowing undecided voters to participate in the town hall debate was a giant debate made by the presidential debate commission. it meant that the american electorate was not represented in that room. just a tiny and increasingly peculiar slice of the electorate was allowed in that room. over 90% of voters have decided who they're going to vote for and most of them have decided a long time ago. if you've done your homework and are well versed in the candidate's position and have found one or more decisive reasons for voting for one of them, that kind of attention to your civic duty as a voter prohibited you from being allowed anywhere near the presidential candidates last night. attentive voters, including voters who have made up their minds who they're going to vote for surely would have asked better, more pointed questions of the candidates.

the moderator screens the questions he, so that means truly stupid questions would not make it past the moderator and the moderator would not allow a romney supporter to ask a hateful question of the president. but supporters of one of the candidates would surely ask some really tough questions of the opposing candidate, and that would just make it a much better debate. and yes, there would still be room for a few questions from undecided voters. but handing over the entire town hall forum to undecided voters is a mistake we shouldn't make again. the debate commission needs to rewrite that rule. that rule is what created a virtually segregated town hall audience. when 94% of african-american voters have decided to support president obama, that means a debate audience of only

undecided voters is going to be very, very, very white. virtually every penny of the $1.2 billion spent so far on this campaign was spent on undecided voters. but it is spent on just a tiny segment of undecided voters. neither presidential campaign is spending any money trying to persuade huge numbers of undecided voters in california or new york, because they know that there aren't enough of those undecided voters, percentage wise in those states, to take those states away from president obama's elect oral college tally. so all of the presidential candidates' attention and money are being spent on undecided voters in a few swing states. rob reiner said here the other

night that the candidates are not running for the president of the united states. they are running for president of ohio. most voters in this country have every right to feel left out of this presidential campaign, because they are. they are being completely ignored by the candidates. and last night they were completely ignored and barred by the presidential debate commission. the presidential debate commission is very good about reviewing its rules at the end of debate season and making changes. and so we can only hope that four years from now, at the town hall debate, the presidential debate commission will not penalize conscientious voters who have taken the time to form an opinion about the candidates. and maybe, maybe will actually have a town hall audience that looks and sounds like america.

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>> these are public lands. so if you want to drill on public lands, you use it or you lose it. >> okay now -- >> so what we did was take away those leases and we are reletting them so we can make a profit. >> and production on government land is down down 14%. and production of gas is down 9%. >> it's just not true. >> it's absolutely true. i don't think anyone really believes that you're a person who's going to be pushing for oil and gas and coal. you'll get your chance in a moment. i'm still speaking. >> and you're asking me a question. >> that wasn't a question. that was a statement. >> you know what i was thinking when i was watching mitt romney

tell the president, i wouldn'ter what d.l. think bates stamp that. >> all he didn't say was sit down, boy. i mean, it's like he learned how to debate watching mad men. it's like he literally think he's superior. he acts as if he believes he's superior in every way to this man. i didn't like him anyway. but when you go to england and they call you arrogant, it's pretty arrogant. i don't think he is the kind of person that i see as "a," authentic or the kind of person that can empathize with regular people. >> you not liking him puts you in the company according to the polls of about 150 million people. i want to look at another moment in the debate that was quite striking. the benghazi section that ends up with the candy crowley fact check. >> i think it's interesting the president just said something

which is that on the day after the attack he went in the rose garden and said this was an act of terror. >> that's what i said. >> you said in the rose garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror? it was not a spontaneous demonstration. >> please proceed, governor. >> i want to make sure we get that for the record. because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi an act of terror. >> get the transcript. >> he did in fact sir. so let me call it an act of terror. >> can you say that a little louder, candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. >> okay. there was a moment where i need you to go inside the president's head. i wish we could freeze frame it here. but the moment where he's looking at mitt romney and what he chooses to say are the words, please proceed. those are the only two words he choses to say. i have a feeling he was thinking something else. >> yeah, and it would have been

appropriate for def jam. it's asinine to believe, if he were aware of what was happening in libya, the george bush play book was to use that to make people afraid saying you should vote for me. so it flies against that everything politicians usually do. but i think mitt romney is just -- and obviously he's doing well and it's a tighter election than it probably should be, but he seems so dismissive of everybody who isn't of his ilk. you know how -- i think he's just that kind of person. >> i'm watching you watch him and i know of you've seen all this before and you're angry again. >> i didn't like him when i met him. when i met him he seemed like the exact same person people are saying now. >> when did you meet him? >> i met him in 2007 at jay leno. and i went this guy looks like a

mercedes benz salesman. he looks like privileged, like he expects that's going to happen and he seems so out of touch. he lacks any level of empathy. >> let's watch him arguing with the president about pensions. >> i'm going to continue -- >> governor romney, if you can make it short. all these people have been waiting for you. >> any investments i have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust and i understand they do include investments outside the united states, including in chinese companies. mr. president, have you looked at your pension? have you looked at your pension? >> i've got to say -- >> mr. president have you looked at your pension? >> you know, i don't look at my pension, it's not as big as yours so it doesn't take as long. >> it's got to be horrible for mitt romney to -- these are people 230r the first time in his life he's on a job interview and now he has